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Nostalgia Kegerator
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- 6/18/2008 -
Replaced the regulator
- 7/12/2008 -
Replaced the tap
- 7/15/2008 - Added more beer line, made an attempt to replace the faucet
- 8/29/2008 -
Replaced the faucet
- 1/14/2009 - I just made my first
home brew
to be placed in the kegerator (thanks
Niagara Brewing!
)
- 2/25/2009 - The Comment button is working again. Click
<a href="#Comments">here</a> to go to the comments.
- 3/1/2009 -
The Dual Tap has arrived
- 10/19/2009 -
Selling my Nostalgia Kegerator
Here
is a link to the full photo album URL (you can see everything better there).
I was looking for a relatively inexpensive kegerator and saw this one amongst the crowd. I initially glossed over it as it got mediocre reviews on several sites but then gave it a second look when I saw that some had fairly easily modified this unit to improve quality.
I recently made my own
website
and thought it would be fun to document my experiences with the Nostalgia kegerator. This is a work in progress - please check back often.
Read at your own risk! I will not take responsibility for anything used here (especially if it breaks your warranty). If in doubt, follow the
manual
and read this
forum
. I tried to have a blend of my attempts to get the original equipment to work properly and the changes that I made based on my experiences. I will say this up front: I've put in almost $100 in parts and the unit works MUCH better.
Also, please note that the current kegerator temp (updated every 2 minutes) is at the top of the page and the full photo album is at the bottom of the page.
Part 1: Obtain a kegarator
I debated where to purchase this unit. It was slightly cheaper on Amazon ($408 at time of this writing) but I liked the idea of being able to return it locally when I break it. Unfortunately, the only place that I could get it locally was Walmart's ship-to-store option. The problem with Walmart is that I generally do not buy things from Walmart based on my own personal beliefs. I made a rare exception here.
As you can see, I don't own a truck so I rented a Uhaul van for the day. I had been meaning to buy a ladder from Home Depot so I decided to kill two birds with one stone. For those of you thinking of purchasing this unit, the box was only slightly bigger than the unit itself.
Observation: damn, those people on the box are having a ton of fun although I'm not sure why they are huddled around the keg like they are.
Part 2: Opening the box
I'm not sure why but I was expecting to open up the box and see a zillion parts. I believe that I am fairly handy but in my experiences these kinds of jobs often take twice what they should really take.
Part 3: Starting the Install
The first thing you notice is that there are three different sets of directions. Three! And not surprisingly, the three often contradict each other. It seems like they've tried to improve the product over the last few months so they thought they would cover their bets by trying to cover everything.
Yes, as you have probably read the directions suck. I know I'm going to sound like your father when I say this but read them first. Yes, all of them... by putting them all together you'll save yourself time later (trust me on this one).
Now I've known since I was a kid that you're not supposed to lay a regrigerator on its back. That is part of the reason I went out of my way to rent a truck to move this unit - I didn't want to try to jam it in my trunk. So what is the first step in the manual? Yup, you guessed it: put it on its side and install the coasters. Unfortunately, it isn't until step 2 that you see that you need to have it upright for 8 hours if you followed step 1. If you're really jonesing for beer I recommend trying to prop up each corner slightly to install the wheels (or do as I did - have a 6 pack of Heineken handy).
Part 4: Hooking up the hoses
For some odd reason the only good picture they have of the assembly is the connection to the CO2 tank. I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed but I had already figured out that one. The CO2 connection to the regulator was incorrectly shown in the diagrams. I had to take a wrench to remove what looks like a hose attachment before I could get down to the part where the hose actually screwed on to the regulator. I wish I could give you some advice on the backflow devices that were included but I don't know that I have them right.
Please note that I ended up replacing both the
regulator
] and the
tap
.
Part 5: The CO2 tank
I know that the local welding joint fills these tanks but I wanted to use my kegerator this weekend and not wait until monday. I stopped in the local beer store while on my way to pick up my kegerator and much to my delight they did in fact have a swapping policy. If I brought in my tank, they'd give me a full one for $13. Perfect! Well, not quite. When I went back to the store with my tank I realized that their tanks were the customary 5 lbs. For a lovely $75 deposit I was able to secure said tank. My local home brew store said that they have used 5 lb tanks so I may get one of those and get my cash back. Anyway, the rubber strap that holds the tank inside the kegerator lasted a good 2 minutes. Installed tank, took picture... strap broke. Hello bungee cord. And yes, a 5 lb tank fits in these units just fine.
Observation: is there anything worse than going into a place where other guys hang out and you're the one with the inferior unit?
Part 6: The thermostat
****** 10/19/2009 Update****** This section may not be needed. Rather than drilling a hole, try playing with the screws around the thermostat to try to modify the pressure on the plate. See
this
thread for more details. This is one of the parts that seems to be the most controversial. Let me say this again: I'm sure that modifying your kegerator in this way will void the warranty and/or cause bodily harm so I take no responsility for anything that you do that you shouldn't have done. Also, I'm starting to wonder if this is even necessary on the newer units. I HIGHLY recommend seeing how cold your unit gets before trying this. After reading through tens or hundreds of posts I thought that I would forge ahead and get to the thermostat screw right up front. In case you didn't know, taking of the thermostat casing and turning a screw will lower the tempertaure of the kegerator to a level that is colder than what the manufacturer intended. Based on many accounts, doing this resulted in better beer and less foam and multiple orgasms.
The thermostat is located on the bottom left of the rear of the unit. The first thing I realized as I tried to remove the screws is that it is clear that the manufacturer really, really didn't want you to remove them. They are extremly difficult to remove. I recommend the following: - Remove the thermostat from the kegerator itself by unscrewing the side screws. By comparison, these practically fall off. - Puth the dislodged thermostat on the ground for stability - Get the biggest phillips screwdriver that will fit the screws. I almost ruined my screws as smaller screwdrivers started to wear down the screw. I BARELY figured this out in time as a couple more attempts would have ruined the head.
Once I had the casing off I realized that I didn't want to have to keep unscrewing the housing to get to the adjustment screw. To get around this minor problem I did what any red-blooded male would do: I broke out the power tools. Starting with a small metal bit I made a pilot hole and then increased the size with larger bits. I started on the blue line directly above the hole for the knob - this seemed to be perfect for a pilot hole.
And now, the bad. I turned the screw two rotations clockwise as I had read on several posts and fired up my unit. Within an hour I was at 38 degrees. And a few minutes later I was at 32 degrees. At that point I'm not sure if my unit overheated or if it shut off naturally (I think the latter - it has been running fine ever since). Needless to say, I turned the screw a whole turn counterclockwise and let it sit for a while. Please don't make my mistake! Start with what the manufacturer gave you. After all, many people said they didn't have to adjust their unit at all. I'm still playing with this one. As with every other project I've ever done, I had leftover parts and that always makes me feel good. I'm still trying to figure out what the wrench does (update: it is for taking off the
faucet assembly
. I also added a remote sensor that updates my website every two minutes with the current temperature.
Observation: does anything say "bye bye warranty" quicker than power tools?
Part 8: Replacing the regulator
I broke down and replaced the regulator that came with the system, as many had suggested. I went to the
local brewing store
(please support your local brew supply stores!) and purchased the
Foxx
double gauge regulator. The nice thing about a double gauge is that it shows both the pressure in the CO2 tank and in the unit itself. It is also MUCH easier to adjust than the cheapo regulator that comes with the unit.
Keep in mind that you'll need to replace the CO2 line if you do purchase something like this as the blue line that comes with the unit is too small (and I tried my hardest before heading back to the supply store). I purchased a 3/16" tube and it fit snugly on the double regulator. I clipped the end off of the blue house and the line slid nicely onto that (even though they look like completely different sizes). A couple of clamps and I was all set to go.
Part 9: Replacing the tap
This step is also optional but after wasting part of a 1/4 keg of Molson Canadian (I live on the U.S. - Canadian border and I grew up with this goodness) because of leaks I went out and purchesed a new Sanke tap from the
local brewing store
for about $40. Before doing this, please keep in mind that you'll want to add extra beer line if you do this (see [
here
).
The beer line fitting that comes with the unit is non-standard (at least they are consistent) but thankfully the line itself is 3/16" so all you need to do is snip the end off and clamp it. The new tap is FAR more snug and there isn't even a hint of any leakage. I highly recommend this step.
Part 11: Replacing the faucet
I went out and purchased a new faucet since I figured that I had replaced everything else, why not that?
I
t turns out that the faucet is not standard (repeate after me... surprise, surprise) and that you have to buy the whole assembly.
Even though I ended up sticking with the orginal faucet (until I can buy a faucet with the entire assembly) I did end up taking down the tower so I got a good idea of how it all fits together. I'm sorry, I neglected to take pictures of this part
. The good news is that I was able to use the existing assembly (the stem that fits through the hole) and only replace the actual faucet. I purchased a
Perlick
faucet from my favorite local home brewing store. This faucet has the shut-off seal at the front of the unit rather than the back and this eliminates the "sticky faucet" syndrome since the insides never dry out. The other benefit to getting a more standard faucet is that you can then use standard tap handles.
I first unscrewed the tower from the base. If you can get the chrome top off at this point, I highly, highly recommend it. In my attempt I had to disconnect the faucet assembly by turning it on the outside. I then took a broom handle and popped off the chrome top (you have to give it a good wack). Reach into the tower disconnect the beer line by unscrewing the nut. At this point you can use the little utility wrench that came with the unit to loosen the nut.
Part 12: Adjustments
Making adjustments to the CO2 takes time. I highly recommend letting everything settle after you tweak something. Also, I have read that if your CO2 is chilled that it could that it could take a couple of hours for a change in the CO2 setting to reflect in the gauge. A keg that is not properly cooled (to somewhere around 35 degrees, depending on what you read) will have a foamy pour.
After I replaced the tap I had a horrible time trying to get a good pour out of the unit, no matter how much I played with the CO2 and the temperature. It appears as though the original tap had something built in that limited the flow a little bit and this made up for the fact that there is only about two feet of beer line. When this roadblock was cleared the beer came streaming out too fast. To get around this, add in 5 to 10 feet of 3/16" line (I added 7' to the original 2'). If you are using the original faucet with the original connector, simply purchase a 3/16" connector and splice the new line onto the old line (you don't want to take apart the faucet if you don't have to. Also, the connector appears to be non-standard in the faucet assembly). I added this line and it made a world of difference.
Part 13: Dual Tap
I've recently gotten into homebrewing so adding a dual tap seemed to be the logical way to go (of course, you can use the dual tap with commercial kegs). And as with everything else, Nostalgia seemed to want to make life hard for us. The problem with adding the dual tap is that the tower is about 2/3 the size of a standard tower. Thus, you need what is called a shotgun shank. My
local brewing store
store was able to get one from micromatic for me. I'm sorry, I've failed you here - my guy at the store couldn't find the micromatic part number but he said that it was about the smallest shotgun shank that they made.
He was also kind enough to put it into my tower for me. This was a little trickier than I thought it would be because he needed to curve the faucet inputs (sorry, I don't know what they are called) with an open flame. They seemed to bend pretty easily after a minute over the flame. Two things you'll need to know. First, the shank lock that came with the Nostalia won't fit this shank. If you do order one make sure you ask for the accompanying lock (they only cost a buck). Second, you'll also need to buy a second faucet.
I got mine installed only to find that the left faucet seems to have a leak. Beer slowly drips down the line back into the unit itself. Ugh... why can't this stuff be easy? I may have to send it back (assuming they'll take it back).
Part 14: Bye Bye Nostalgia
Once I replaced all of the %@#$@ parts that Nostalgia put in my unit I was quite happy with the results. However, the wife and I decided that it would be cool to put a kegerator into a cupboard in our hot tub room. In theory I could use my Nostalgia but I want to get a triple tap on my new unit. As you may know, the Nostalgia comes with a very non-standard tower and it was tough enough to put in a dual tap (I had to use a blow torch to slim down the shank). I thought this would be a good time to get a standard fridge and tower.
I looked on craigslist and a local wholesaler had
brand new
Haier units for $99. This is just the fridge of course but that is all I wanted. Once you see what you are doing with this stuff it is pretty easy to put together your own unit. Triple tap, here I come.
I'll post pics of my new rig once I have it put together. In the meantime, if you live in the Buffalo, NY area and are looking for a FINE kegerator, let me know!
SOLD!
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Comments (30)
Comments (30)
Created by
John Brackmann
on
Wednesday, November 17, 2010 12:02:28 PM
Mine has worked fine 'till yesterday (9 months 20 1/6 kegs) when the beer line froze. I replaceded all tapping gear only because I wanted to keep a 20# gas cylinder and a 1/6 keg of Michelob in the kegerater. Seems my problem is reverse of most
Created by
muchgooder
on
Friday, June 25, 2010 9:05:25 AM
As I understand it, the purpose of getting at this screw is to override the max setting that comes from the factory. As I said above, another guy came up with a cleaner way to do this. He said that if you play with the tension screws that you can essentially do the same thing. http://www.micromatic.com/forum/us-en/kegerators-kegerator-kits-home/1567-nostalgia-electrics-kegerator-really-works-7.html#post35341
Created by
BNUTZ
on
Thursday, June 24, 2010 8:10:37 PM
nothing. exactly which screw is it? theres one directly above the knob which looks like the one from your album. Theres one on top of the thermostat and one on the bottom of the thermostat. Im pretty sure the screw your talking about is the one directly above the knob but i havent got any results.Please let me know so I'll know to either buy a new stat or tinker with this one, thanks
Created by
BNUTZ
on
Wednesday, June 23, 2010 5:16:38 PM
Just got home. Took the housing off the thermostat. There is a screw directly over the knob ands a screw underneath the thermostat. Not really underneath the knob. I've been adjusing the one over the knob. So I'm hoping its the one underneath the thermostat. Just tried it and waiting
Created by
muchgooder
on
Wednesday, June 23, 2010 2:02:12 PM
BNUTZ, that's what I did and what I've read elsewhere. As per another post that I mentioned, you might want to try adjusting the tension on the surrounding screws as that seems to be the alternative to taking off the plate. Also, are you sure you have the right screw? I've heard others say that they had the wrong one. It should be the one underneath the dial.
Created by
BNUTZ
on
Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:53:10 PM
Are you sure I turn this screw clockwise? Not getting colder. I'm wasting a keg of harp. Help!
Created by
BNUTZ
on
Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:51:26 PM
Your guides been great but no matter how many times I screw with this thermostat it isn't getting colder. I got a keg of harp in this thing and I can't enjoying. I'm driving myself nuts. Are you sure I turn the screw clockwise?,
Created by
muchgooder
on
Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:32:20 PM
Hey Dave, I got my unit from Tower Wholesale http://local.botw.org/New_York/Hamburg/Tower_Wholesale_Direct/153166238.html. They were trying to sell the refrigerator along with the parts for about $349 (no CO2 tank) but I talked them into selling me just the unit for $99. Even if you bought it with the parts I think you'd still come out at least $100 ahead of buying a unit from Walmart or somewhere else. I put a triple tap on my unit.
Created by
dave
on
Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:12:35 AM
hey man, nice work can you let us know which wholesaler had those Haier's so cheap?
Created by
muchgooder
on
Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:07:46 PM
Thanks for stopping in Will. I don't know why you wouldn't just call a refrigerator repair company to replace the parts that broke as I think they are fairly standard. Better yet, I'd just keep an eye out for a new unit. I recently brought a brand new Hair kegerator for 99 bucks at a local wholesale company (the guts were not included).
Created by
WILL GRAVES
on
Thursday, February 11, 2010 10:08:28 PM
I bought one of these a few years ago off ebay ...It died after 6 months....I cannot get ahold of anyone at Nostalgia via email or phone. Do you know where I can get parts for this ? Please advise
Created by
D-van
on
Friday, August 14, 2009 9:58:26 PM
Thanks for the info. I just received my Nostalgia as a gift and beggars can't be choosers. Your site has given me all sorts of great projects. I'm having all the common problems already ordered a replacement regulator and additional hose. Your pictures and instructions are great and will definitely be very helpful as I get the temp/pressure right. Ironically as I was reading your web I think the Kegerator understood that I was going to be making some adjustments because the CO2 band snapped. I too am on with a bungee cord. Thank goodness the outside looks nice cause I'm about to make this thing custom inside, beer will flow as it should. Thanks again great job!!
Created by
muchgooder
on
Monday, August 3, 2009 10:46:21 AM
Hey Dean, I'm glad that my little guide was able to help you out. [
] I think the most simple explanation here is probably the right one. My guess is that you had a loose connection somewhere and your CO2 escaped. I had a similar experience with my original stock unit and that started me down the path of replacing the original parts. Life is much better with the dual guage as up cam see how much you have left in your tank. I also went out and purchased a 5lb tank for my unit and I use the 2.5 lb tank for my home brews. I recommend running soapy water over your CO2 connections to find out where the leak is.
Created by
Dean
on
Sunday, August 2, 2009 6:32:00 PM
Hey! Thanks for all of the info. I just bought one of these units and seems just like everyone else, I have some tweaking to do before all will be good. First, the coolest I can get the temp down to for my Full Sail Amber Ale (and the Therm setting on back set at just under MAX) is about 42-44 deg. I've read that Amber Ales s/b served at a temp of about 44?? So this isn't that bad. I'd like a little cooler but I'll tweak the temp to get there. I went to pour a pint today and the orig 2.5lb tank I filled lasted 3 days. Of course it went out on Sunday! I have a cold Keg...but NO CO2...ON A SUNDAY!!!! NO Bueno! Any ideas why the tank only lasted a few days?
Created by
muchgooder
on
Sunday, January 25, 2009 10:09:33 AM
Thanks Bob. Sure, I'd love to hear about anything that can be added to this guide. In the near future I'm going to add a section about how to hook up a homebrew to this unit as well as a dual tap.
Created by
bob
on
Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:05:49 PM
hey I have one of the kegerators as well and did all the same mods as you before I found your site. I still haveto load up a new keg the first was a disaster. including an exploding co2 cylinder which you didn't cover in your tutorial. I know what to do if anyone is interested.
Created by
muchgooder
on
Friday, January 2, 2009 8:50:27 AM
That could be a few things - maybe the C02 isn't right, maybe you have one of the pieces that sits in the hose installed incorrectly. Usually people have an issue with it coming out too fast so I'm not too sure about this one. As you probably read in this guide, things run much better with a few modifications.
Created by
kelly
on
Thursday, January 1, 2009 6:50:23 PM
i am hoping someone can help i bought a nostalgia kegerlator for my boyfriend. everything is good besides the beer flows very slow... how can we fix this
Created by
Jay
on
Monday, December 29, 2008 7:28:34 PM
Everything seems to be flowing and tasting great. I will be purchasing a dual gauge regulator very soon. Better safe than sorry I guess. Thanks for you help! Cheers!!!
Created by
Meriwether
on
Monday, December 22, 2008 7:48:07 PM
Thanks again!
Created by
Meriwether
on
Monday, December 22, 2008 7:47:42 PM
Thank you so much for the advice! You just helped me decide to buy a Kenmore. There's no way I want to have to do that much work to it right away!
Created by
muchgooder
on
Sunday, December 21, 2008 3:05:34 PM
That's the problem Jay - because the stuff that came with the unit are limiting you are stuck guessing what the right settings could be. In the long run what you're saving in not purchasing a dual guage regulator will cost you in beer (and in taste). I wish I had a better answer about the stopper but I never figured that out myself. It sounds like your setting might be a bit low if it is flat.
Created by
Jay
on
Sunday, December 21, 2008 2:45:38 PM
Beer is flowing fairly well. I'm still trying to find the right PSI with the factory regulator. The fridge is holding strong at 37. I don't know if it is my imagination or not but the beer (miller lite) seems a tad flat. Not terrible but it may need a bit more zip. Any suggestions??? ***The manual advised to insert the plastic "back flow stopper" into the keg coupler/tap. The parts bag included one but I noticed that one was already inserted in the tap when I took it out of the box. Should there be only one "back flow stopper" or two in the keg coupler/tap? Did I mention that the factory manual sucked?
Created by
muchgooder
on
Saturday, December 20, 2008 10:04:32 AM
Congrats on not needing to mess around with the refrigeration settings. Still, if your first pour was that bad I'd be surprised if letting it sit overnight would make that much of a difference (unless your keg was actually warmed for a while, in which case you'd have bigger issues). I hope it works out for you but I have a feeling that you'll be back ;-).
Created by
Jay
on
Saturday, December 20, 2008 12:40:02 AM
Plugged my new unit in this morning and it dropped down to 34 degrees with plenty left to play with on the therm. Tapped the first keg this evening. 1/2 foam 1/2 beer. I assume that it should settle as the keg cools and is not moved overnight. I hope I assembeled it correctly as the directions sucked!!!
Created by
Paul
on
Friday, December 12, 2008 12:20:20 PM
Dave, just so you are aware if you are replacing the faucet ("I then took a broom handle and popped off the chrome top (you have to give it a good whack ")). Do not pop the chrome top off near anything valuable i.e. inside of the garage near your car, that puppy will fly. 'Nuff said (once again sorry Adam).
Created by
Dave
on
Friday, December 12, 2008 11:40:06 AM
Thanks for all the info as i just bought the same kegorator and cannot get it cold so i can't wait to get home and start adjusting.
Created by
muchgooder
on
Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:31:43 PM
I'm glad the guide was able to help you out. I'm the same way (a computer guy) but I thought since I took the time to hack it that I'd document it. [
] Are you sure that you turned it counterclockwise? Yikes, 45 degrees is no good.
Created by
J. Cler
on
Wednesday, December 10, 2008 8:48:07 PM
I cant figure it out!!! You are right the beer is ok at about 45 degrees but i would love it colder i did take apart the thermotstate and adjusted the screw (right above the nob that sticks out) and it still does not colder did i miss something? i suck at this type of stuff. If it was a computer i could fugure it out...lol. I will keep trying. Thanks for your info though!!! great help!!! jclerihan@gmail.com
Created by
D. Wilson
on
Wednesday, October 8, 2008 12:55:09 AM
Hey man, thanx for all the helpful info on the nostalgia kegerator. It's funny that you ran into all of the same problems I did. (Including the dumbass CO2 strap) I kept hearing about how to make the fridge colder, but thanx to you, I knew exactly how to do it. I read most of your post on the unit and you did a lot of the things I already did. Replace the regularor, best and easiest step of all. I bought 5 feet of new air line, 5 extra feet of beer line, and the unit runs AWESOME! I can run the unit at about 15psi with a good flow and NO head. E-MAIL me if you have any questions or comments. wilson851@bellsouth.net
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